TROLLWATCH : AOC = Awesome, Oppressed Congresswoman

PD IS BACK!!!! The Angry Trump-Loving Irishman who follows me on Facebook has jumped in with his combative commentary once more.

All I did was say how much I enjoyed the Knocking Down The House documentary on Netflix and while it took him a few days to respond, once he did he was back with a series of tropes straight out of the Trump playbook. Just to be clear, my original post was published before the POTUS’s racist tirade against ‘The Squad’, while PD’s response came after.

My policy with him is simple…when he made his original attack on a different post a while ago, he questioned the validity of my sources for my opinions, despite the lack of evidence thereof, and what’s more, when I asked him to reveal his own, he declined to answer several times.

This is now the second time he commented on a post that has a theme that involved watching a broadcast – before it was a Democratic debate, this time the doc on Netflix. He has admitted to watching neither.

Here’s how the exchange went, if you could call it that…

ORIGINAL POST [attached to link to Netflix documentary] : How did I not know about this before now? Awesome. #AOC

PD : Omg Jeff.. come out of clown world… please man.. I’m worried about ye.. the world is going to end in twelve years?? Green new deal?? Will cost over 90 trillion dollars.. AOC? Concentration camps?? Won’t condemn ANTIFA terrorist attacks on an ICE facility? You must be kiddin… a stooge for the justice democrats? Cenk the young Turk? Is there any logic left out there? Wake up Jeff… pllleeeaasse.. 🙈

ME : OK

PD : No argument… as usual…. poor Jeff.. I’ve tried to save you from your cognitive dissonance… there must be some one in your group with a little common sense? Come down to Google hq and stand up for freedom of speech guys.. it’s really important 👍🇨🇮🇺🇸🇺🇸💪

ME : Happy to discuss the topic of the thread… What did you think of the Netflix show?

PD : Jeff.. please stop tryin to control conversation.. AOC as you proclaim…. is awesome? Haven’t watched it yet.. but would love to.. I won’t let you away with just stickin to discussing your threads alone.. I’m calling you out on your philosophy…Why don’t you tell me and your friends what is so awesome about AOC?

ME : But it is my conversation. My page my topic my thread. Surely even you can’t argue that? This is about a Netflix show I watched. You admit you didn’t, yet you still chose to comment. So maybe I’m calling you out? Especially when your first angry comment on a previous post way back when questioned the validity of MY sources? But you know that and clearly don’t care. So if you want to continue this chat, watch the show. Of course you won’t because you’re afraid you might learn something that contradicts your Trump talking points.

Thursday, July 18, 2019 on JL Pagano Facebook page

AT TIME OF POSTING THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 15 HOURS WITHOUT A REPLY

…so I posted this extra comment for ‘divilment’…

ME : Interesting…you say you want an argument yet when I offer one, not a word. What’s up with that, Phil? Even if you were busy for the last 15 hours it takes less than a minute to post “I’ll respond tomorrow”. You seem to be good at starting ‘debates’ but when it comes to finishing them or even staying on topic, not so much – which of course makes it clear why Trump is your guy! 😉

Friday, July 19, 2019

UPDATE : Eventually he did respond…

PD : Hi Jeff… again… what is so awesome about AOC? Or any Democrats for that matter… I have Netflix here but I haven’t got a chance to see it yet.. been busy workin…. only to humour you… but see a lot of left wing liberal propaganda on it… something tells me this could be more brainwashing and feelings rather than facts and evidence…. you’re a funny guy Jeff… it’s been a struggle to get you past Ok… so we can debate… You haven’t addressed any of my criticisms of your idea’s…. yes.. trump is my man alright 🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪 and AOC the bar tender/Actress who auditioned for the Justice Democrats to run for congress.. who keeps makin a fool of herself on a daily basis is your gal 😉🙈 great choice Jeff 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

ME : Hi Phil thanks for eventually getting back. Just to be clear, any discussion of politics between us will not be what I call a debate. For me that means a discussion with mutual respect that leads to a conclusion. For you that clearly means name calling, straw men and false premises that leads to a row. But since you have put so much time and effort into getting my attention, I have decided to humour you by doing things your way.

For the umpteenth time in this thread, I’m telling you my original post, and thus the word ‘awesome’, was about the documentary, not AOC herself. I know I use the hashtag but that is because of the four candidates featured (don’t worry I’ll relieve you of the torture of watching it) she was the only one who won her primary against an establishment Democrat.

When it comes to her policies and those of progressives, I think your hero has made a big mistake by elevating them to world recognition with his racist provocation (sorry if the r word offends you but housing in NY, birtherism, Central Park 5, Charlottesville, Mexican judge, sh*t-hole countries and now this…..he’s a racist. End of.).

The reason it’s a mistake is that they actually agree with him on a lot of his 2016 policy promises; healthcare for all with pre existing conditions and lower prescription drugs, draining the swamp with no more corporate-owned politicians, and not necessarily doing things the Washington way, to name but three. The only difference is that when THEY say it, they actually WANT to do all of that for their voters as opposed to using them like he does. He thinks he’s being clever by stirring hatred among his base and sees 95% approval among Republicans as validation, but that doesn’t account for those fleeing the party and for every one 2016 vote he retains in 2020, his divisiveness is more than likely to create another 3 votes against him.

And that’s just on policy…when it comes to personality, he has more scandal on his plate than all four of the ‘Squad’ will see in their collective lifetimes. He’s a disgrace to the White House and as far as I’m concerned those who support him can only either be profiting from his presidency personally or are just brainwashed into hating so-called ‘liberals’.

Hopefully that has given you enough to find the ‘right’ comebacks on Fox News and all those YouTube channels from which you keep sharing clips with me on Messenger 😉

Friday, July 19, 2019

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Trollwatch : ‘So did you actually watch the debate?’

A new series where we share political trollery from about the internet, particularly ones we responded to. You’ll probably find most of these will come from Journal.ie but to kick things off we’re going to share with you the latest offerings from an Irish pro-Trump troll I’ve picked up on my personal Facebook account. I’ve been driving him crazy lately by simply replying ‘OK’ over and over again but eventually this time I did him the courtesy of a lengthy reply. At time of writing it has been 9 hours since the comment was sent and he has not replied, even though he was leading comments himself up to about ten minutes before my message.

“… and I will ensure that the microphone that the President of the United States holds in her hand….”

Nobody has my vote yet but I have to say Harris totally crushed it last night.

Original post on JL Pagano Facebook page

Good man Jeff.. you and your looney left mates never cease to amaze me.. Harris?? A big fan of Jussie Smollet.. She wants to give illegal immigrants free healthcare… amazin… come on in every one… open borders.. what idiots… build tbat wall.. and MAGA Trump 2020🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪

And please you looney left SJW be the signalling identity politics numb nuts.. do some research.. on how America is really doin under Trump.. don’t be so lazy.. 🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪

Good man Jeff.. typical looney left.. no argument… no facts or evidence to back up your virtue signalling.. love calling you out on your nonsense… 😁🇺🇸🇺🇸🇨🇮🇨🇮

Any footage of Islamaphobia on buses goin on lately? Just recalling your virtuos outraged at the horrific new Zealand mosque murders… and funnily enough you didn’t whimper a word about the 120 Christians that were murdered the same month while at church…. by Islamic terrorists… hmmm….. so noble of you.. some day you might come out from behind you virtuosity and try to debate me.. surely all your virtual friends can’t be as fake news as you? OK 👍🤣😂

Jeff… you are a coward I’m afraid… and I hope some of your pals are seein this cowardice… but keep your commie SJW virtue signalling bullshit comin… lovin callin you out…. 👍🤣😂🇺🇸🇺🇸

Ahh…. you can’t answer a deplorable Trump supporter Jeff? Intellect has deserted you? Ahh poor Jeff…

Ahh Jeff… your so tolerant and diverse… always willin to engage in discourse and intellectual debate… I should be easy for you to destroy with your wisdom…

Ahh…. lovely… every time your friends see you’re lack of balls Jeff…. it brings a smile to my face… keep spurtin your nonsense… can’t wait for the next bout…. night night xx

all comments from a troll I’ll call ‘PD’ here. After each one I replied with “OK”.

Hi PD I hope you are well.

Sorry I didn’t ‘debate’ you last night but I didn’t for two reasons (1) I was out with friends so I didn’t have time to write long replies, and (2) going by your words from the very first sentence of your very first comment in this thread, and by your other contributions to my page for that matter, you don’t want to debate, you want to bait.

However, since you have clearly devoted a lot of time & effort to get my attention, I guess I really should offer some response and I would be willing to discuss this topic with you here if you like.

Just to be remind you, the topic under discussion here is Night 2 of the First Democratic Debate on NBC, and before we proceed I have one simple yes or no question for you – did you watch it all?

My reply the following morning.

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Thoughts on the 20 Democratic candidates after the first debate

A few words on each of the 20 candidates who made it to the debate stage, with my opinion focusing more on their Presidential stature than actual policy.

Note – still getting the hang of producing these home made videos please bear with me while I get into a routine with them plenty of kinks to iron out and I’m not just talking about my shirt 😉

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The real reason the US political establishment is ganging up on Rep Ilhan Omar

THE ISSUE

Despite being a congresswoman for just a few months, both major US political parties are pushing a narrative that Representative Ilhan Omar from Minnesota is unworthy of her position.

THE MEDIA

“You have to wonder if she is an American first”

Brian Kilmeade, Fox News

THE COMMENT

I’m sharing this Young Turks video not to highlight the actions of Fox News, more to point out that it is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to elite opposition to Congresswoman Omar.

Nobody who has watched Fox News with a critical eye will be surprised by the blatant spin presented in the above video – Omar’s words are taken wildly out of context.

The Washington Post also did a good job in this video putting her words into the proper context…

But Rupert Murdoch’s right wing spin factory is not the only source of this misrepresentation, and her statement referenced here is far from the only example.

She was recently attacked for remarks she made that referenced AIPAC, a powerful lobby group that represents the Jewish-American community.

Again, whatever side of the issue you might be on, we have to wonder why her words were so blatantly taken out of context, not only by Fox News and Republican politicians, but also by the leadership of the Democrat Party and most significantly, the mainstream media.

It’s not as though the CNNs and MSNBCs are normally shy when it comes to playing clips of quotes when it suits them.  For example, how many times has Trump’s infamous ‘grab them by the pussy’ line been given airtime?  Seems to be at least once or twice a week even now.

Yet Congresswoman Omar’s quote, in which she clearly referred to herself when the entire passage is taken in context, was frequently branded as ‘Anti Semitic’ on political panels without her actual statement being played.

It took a comedienne to do what the broadcasters couldn’t…

Why the widespread revulsion against Omar?

Is it because she is Muslim?  Is it because the Washington establishment is genuinely concerned that she does not put ‘America first’?  Is it because they really do believe she is anti-Semitic?

None of the above, as far as I’m concerned.  I believe the push against is all about one of her first appearances on the House Foreign Relations Committee.

One of the principle consequences of the 2018 Midterms was that although the House was won back by the Democrats, the Progressive caucus was so strong that Nancy Pelosi had to make several concessions to guarantee that she returned to the Speaker role.

Among those concessions was the placement of prominent Progressives on key House committees like Intelligence, Judiciary, Ways and Means and in Omar’s case, Foreign Relations.

When she had one of her first opportunities to ask questions at a hearing, it was to none other than Elliott Abrams, who was involved in many questionable foreign incursions by the US in the past, and has now been appointed as President Trump’s ‘special envoy’ for Venezuela.

OMAR: On February 8, 1982, you testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about U.S. policy in El Salvador. In that hearing, you dismissed as communist propaganda reports about the massacre at El Mozote in which more than 800 civilians, including children as young as 2 years old, were brutally murdered by U.S.-trained troops. During that massacre, some of those troops bragged about raping a 12-year-old girl, girls, before they killed them. You later said that the U.S. policy in El Salvador was a “fabulous achievement.” Yes or no, do you still think so?

I haven’t taken the time to check all of the congressional records since 1982 (or mainstream media interviews for that matter) but I’ll bet anything that Abrams hasn’t asked a question like this publicly in that time.

That is why Omar is being so blatantly smeared; the ‘Military Industrial Complex’, a major donor for prominent politicians from both parties, do not want questions like that asked in a public forum.  In fact, the President himself gave the game away in one of his attacks on her “She should resign from Congress, or at least from the committee.” (paraphrase).

Just to be clear, I’m not 100% aware of Omar’s politics, but when anyone is taken so wildly out of context it needs to be pointed out.

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