Big step for #RepealThe8th movement as Oireachtas committee set to back up Citizens’ Assembly

THE ISSUE

The Irish Government has been considering the Eighth Amendment to the Irish constitution which enshrined the protection of unborn children after a referendum in 1983.

THE MEDIA

Article by Sarah Bardon in Irish Times on Wednesday, December 6, 2017

Oireachtas committee set to recommend repeal of Eighth Amendment

Fianna Fáil TD Billy Kelleher said trying to replace or amend article 40.3.3 is not practical, insisting a straight repeal is the only option.

THE COMMENT

I’m no fan of Fianna Fáil but when they or Fine Gael or indeed any political party falls on the right side of an issue I’m happy to give them their due.

After hearing the opinion of experts from all points on the vast spectrum of this issue, first the Citizens’ Assembly and now a multi-party Oireachtas Committee, it seems the will of the Irish people has changed drastically from the two-thirds yes vote from the referendum back in Ireland’s Dark Ages, also known as the 80s.

Of course the so-called Pro Life movement is making accusations of ‘bias’ because apparently their ‘side’ of the argument didn’t get the 50/50 coverage they wanted but as I said earlier, it’s a spectrum rather than a two-sided coin and the Iona Institute position lies only at one extreme end and thus should receive a proportionate amount of exposure.

It’s not over yet though – this article simply states that the committee is ‘set to recommend’ repeal.  They still have to actually recommend it.  Then the Dáil needs to organise a referendum for straight repeal with a simple yes or no option for the Irish people, not some fudge involving complicated wording.

Here’s hoping the committee members go on to back up their words with action next week.

#IANWAE

Social Democrats call for separation of Church and State after #TuamBabies

We’re not sharing this Dáil speech by Catherine Murphy TD from the Social Democrats website because we have a particular preference for the party itself; it’s just we like the fact that something like this is being said in our national parliament.

“if Tuam has shown us anything it is that the State must take responsibility for its citizens and that the Church has no legitimacy in the healthcare, education or politics governing our citizens.”

No doubt there are other TDs who share Murphy’s sentiment, but unfortunately among the total amount of TD they would be very much in the minority.  I wonder if that would be the case if a referendum were held on the matter?

A simple flowchart for the Irish “ProLife” movement as the Citizens Assembly convenes #RepealThe8th

Yesterday we featured an article in Journal.ie about refugees that seemed to be geared towards those with more right-wing views.

Today, as the Citizens Assembly meets to consider many different issues including the contentious 8th Amendment to the Irish Constitution, the online publication have posted a piece about the public submissions to the Assembly, and in its headline it has an extract from a Pro-Life viewpoint.

We’re not necessarily suggesting that the article in question is biased, but what we are saying is that these articles are clearly designed to provoke a host of comments, the vast majority of which re-hash the same old Pro Life v Pro Choice talking points ad nauseum.

The only important issue right now is that of a referendum.  Do we have one, or not.  Obviously here at FPP we believe that we should.  The government should establish a timeframe for the vote now including a “no later than” date, then it should work on formulating the wording for the question to be put before the people, then we should have our date.

Only after that is sorted should we start the debate.  In our opinion, the #RepealThe8th movement should be putting all its energy into getting the vote date organised and ignore the polarization for now.

We also believe the Pro-Life movement should be equally interested in a referendum, assuming they believe their views represent the will of a majority of the Irish people.  To that end we have produced the flow-chart below…

repealthe8th-flowchart

#IANWAE

MLK quote gets perfectly applied to #blacklivesmatter but also can be used for other struggles against injustice

In the latest Best of the Left podcast there is a segment taken from Dave Zirin’s “The Edge of Sports” where he deals with the reaction to American football player Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the US national anthem in support of the #BlackLivesMatter movement.

Zirin uses a quote from Martin Luther King to describe the reaction of several influential people from the sport’s community to the protest, whereby they essentially say “I support the ends but not the means”.

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the white citizen’s Councillor or Ku Klux Klan-er, but the “white moderate”, who is more devoted to order than to justice, who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.

Who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”.

Who paternalistically believes they can set the timetable for another man’s freedom, who lives by a mythical concept of time. And who constantly advises the negro to wait for a more convenient season.

Personally I have more respect for someone who bravely stands up for what he believes in than I do for someone who blindly stands up for a song and a waving piece of cloth.

But I also believe the quote is significant for wider issues around the world.  Take what we have here in Ireland, like #RepealThe8th #Right2Water and #StopTTIP.  Please understand that I appreciate the many differences between those struggles and those of the African American community in the US.

What I do mean is that such struggles should not be fought against the extremists at the far end of any ideological argument.  It should instead be directed at those in between who stand with their backs to the resistance because while they do appreciate the injustice, they don’t see the point in resisting…at least not right now.  “Maybe that day will come, but it is not today”, is essentially their argument.

They should be shown that not only can it be today, but it can also be done peacefully.  If enough people believe, it can be so.

 

 

March For Choice passes off peacefully & powerfully #RepealThe8th

I regretted being unable to attend the March for Choice on Saturday – having gone on the #Right2Water march a week before I was all set to go again but in the end it wasn’t even the bus strike nor the bad weather that held me back just personal circumstances.

But it’s not about me and thankfully there were tens of thousands who did make it in and by all accounts there were also demonstrations of sympathy around the world according to the Irish Times.

Pro-choice campaigners among the Irish diaspora are holding parallel demonstrations in a number of cities including London, Paris, Berlin, Brussels, New York, San Francisco, Toronto and Melbourne.

Of course to be seen as “balanced” they had to include a response from the so-called “Pro-Life” side of the discussion (a student in this case) and it’s not surprising to hear them resort to the “Pro-Lifers as oppressed minority” argument…

“I think there is an imbalance. I am in UCD and the students union there is very much in your face pro-choice. That is very unfair to the students who are pro-life.”

It never ceases to amuse me how someone can make the argument their views aren’t being expressed at the very moment they are being given the chance to express their views.  It demonstrasted a distinct lack of an actual overall argument.

Next up for the #RepealThe8th movement is the Citizens Assembly, and naturally all eyes will be on its composition.  If they go by opinion polls, there should be only around a one-in-five representation for those who feel the amendment should be kept in place.  We’ll see how that is reflected in the selection of assemblyfolk.

 

The Curious Case of Patrick Jameson/Eamonn Murphy #RepealThe8th

This is a mind-boggling sequence of events that further illustrates how the public debate surrounding the upcoming Citizens Assembly and (hopefully) subsequent #RepealThe8th referendum will transpire.

First up we have the undercover work done by the Irish edition of the London Times where they visited the so-called “Women’s Clinic” on Berkeley St not far from the Mater Hospital in Dublin.  As the Times is a pay-newspaper, we link instead to the Indo article titled “Secret recordings reveal Dublin pregnancy centre advising women that abortion leads to breast cancer“.

While attending the clinic undercover, the reporter’s mental state was called into question by the counsellor. The reporter was shown also pictures of aborted foetuses and asked if she thought it was fair on the foetus to have an abortion.

Then we have just over half an hour on Joe Duffy’s Liveline show that has to be heard to be believed.  In it the director of the clinic, a Patrick Jameson, was afforded the opportunity to present his side of the story.

For the duration of the segment he repeatedly talks over Joe as well as everyone else who dared to come on to speak.  H referred to a website abortionbreastcancer.com at least half a dozen times, one which is clearly maintained by a Pro-Life group based in the USA and he goes on to reject anything said by the media (because according to him all members of the NUJ are instructed to be Pro-Choice) and the vast majority of peer-reviewed medical research (because according to him the American Cancer Society is a “corrupt” organization).

To be fair to Joe, he gave the man plenty of time to air his side of the story, such as it was.  Basically for half an hour you hear the terms “abortion” and “breast cancer” used several times in close proximity to each other.  If nothing else it would almost have you believing there was a link.  There’s a decent account of the exchange in this article on The Journal.

When challenged on the issue, he told Duffy: “You can’t handle the truth”. People in Ireland are “being deceived because of the media spin”, he claimed.

One thing the Journal doesn’t touch on, however, is that towards the end of the segment Duffy asks Jameson if he has heard of a gentleman called Eamonn Murphy.  Jameson doesn’t even acknowledge that he has been asked the question.

In a follow-up segment the next day, Duffy has a few callers on who seem to think that Jameson himself was actually this Eamonn Murphy, who ran in national and European Elections for organizations that appear to have had numerous guises such as the “Christian Centrist Party”.

Finally, to the reaction of staunch so-called Pro-Life advocate Breda O’Brien, she who loves to bemoan the lack of media coverage from her movement despite her regular columns in the Irish Times.

Yesterday in her piece “The amazing hypocrisy of the pro-abortion lobby“, while rejecting the ludicrous claims of this clinic, she also does an excellent job exaggerating the media response to them while then undervaluing their reaction to reports that medical advice was being given to patients to avail of an “abortion pill” as well as lying to their doctors about having had an abortion.

A couple of years ago, Gemma O’Doherty, one of Ireland’s most courageous and tenacious journalists, broke a story about allegations that Irish Family Planning Association crisis pregnancy counsellors were advising clients to break the law. She heard and viewed tapes of counsellors (procured in a sting operation) advising people how to import the so-called abortion pill via NorthernIreland. The IFPA did not question the veracity of the tapes.

Those pieces of advice amount to “breaking the law” according to O’Brien.  While technically true, it hardly qualifies as a counter argument against blatantly deliberate misinformation being given at a premises purporting to be a “clinic”.  And what’s more, patients are being advised to lie about their terminations because of the fear of being prosecuted under laws which are currently being challenged by a significant movement among citizens known as #RepealThe8th.

We need a referendum now.  We’re not going to get it now.  Instead we’re going to get a “Citizens Assembly” to decide whether or not we can have a referendum.  The composition of this assembly needs to be put under the closest scrutiny possible.

This is going to be a long, difficult road, with a small, curiously-well-funded minority blocking the path.

 

 

 

A rare rose of a comment among the usual thorns on Journal.ie #RepealThe8th

Normally we find scrolling through the comments section on articles in the Journal to be akin to sado-masochism.  But once in a while, there is a rose among the thorns, pun fully intended.

The story in question is about an online petition organized by Saorlaith Ní Shuibhne from Cork which we posted about recently on the recent controversy involving the Rose of Tralee contest and the #RepealThe8th movement.  As it turned out the campaign received over 6000 signatures and the letter was sent in to RTE as promised.

When we looked down through the comments after the article on the Journal we saw the usual Pro Life v Pro Choice exchange, but we also noted that the vast majority of contributions were by men, and we added our own comment to this effect.

But right at the very top there was this comment by Fintan of Laois which we thought was worth a share…

It’s amazing that anyone can turn a hair when an obviously intelligent modern young woman remarks that she’d like to see Irish women having the same rights concerning their own reproductive systems as their sisters in most of the civilised world already enjoy.

Well done to her for highlighting this remaining vestige of the power that a corrupt, discredited and hypocritical religious cult once abused in so many ways in Ireland.

Given that David Quinn and Breda O’Brien, both obnoxious and pathetic in equal measure, devoted their respective weekly columns in the Indo and IT to condemning the young Australian women, it is clear how the Iona “institute” and other far-right, American Evangelical fundamentalist-financed lobby groups would love to see discussion of Ireland’s savage anti-woman legislation smothered.

There can be little doubt that they and their most ardent running dogs are behind the formal complaints, but they are only adding grist to the mill of those who want their odious cult to butt out of medical matters.

There can hardly be a day when Quinn, O’Brien and the other Ionanists wish they had never gotten their solicitors to threaten action over Panti calling them “homophobic” – which is a bit like calling the Pope a Catholic. RTÉ caved in, failed to tell them to take a hike, and gave them nearly €100,000 of your and my money.

But, as the SSM referendum result showed, they may have all that dosh in the bank, but they are still limping badly after shooting themselves in the foot.

An open letter to RTÉ regarding the Sydney Rose #RepealThe8th

Even though the Irish Government’s latest delay tactic of a “Citizen Assembly” is still a way off being put together, it has been a busy week or so for the #RepealThe8th campaign.

First we had the incredible bravery of the #TwoWomenTravel timeline on twitter.

Then, just last night, we had a PBP councillor denied access to a GAA club for a public meeting.

In between we had the noble actions of Brianna Perkins, the Sydney Rose in the Rose of Tralee “contest” when she voiced her opinion on the importance of a referendum on the subject of the 8th amendment.

Much like the GAA club situation, it seems officials have reacted very quickly to what seems to be a small number of complaints.

So fair play to Saorlaith Ni Shuibhne of Cork for organizing an online petition to provide an “antidote” of sorts to these complaints to demonstrate just how many members of the pubic are actually in agreement with what Ms Perkins had to say.

Here is the Open Letter – if you wish to sign  CLICK HERE.

To whom it may concern,

In response to the small number of formal complaints RTÉ has received in relation to the Sydney Rose’s comments on Monday night’s (August 22nd) Rose of Tralee, we the undersigned would like to offer our formal compliments  to Ms. Parkins and welcome her voicing the need to repeal the 8th Amendment in Ireland. Noting that RTÉ does not appear to have a mechanism for offering formal messages of support, we ask that these signatures be assessed in the same manner as any complaints received.

Yours,
The Undersigned

This petition will be delivered to:

  • RTE

On a final, only slightly related note…see if you can spot anything interesting in the relationship between the story linked by this Irish Times tweet and the photo…

Dublin GAA club refuses to host #RepealThe8th meeting because of “complaints”

A statement by Councillor John Lyons of People Before Profit was posted on Facebook this evening.

The public meeting tonight calling for Repeal of the 8th Amendment was due to take place in Parnell’s GAA club in Coolock Village.

Four hours before the meeting the GAA club said that the meeting could not take place as they had ‘received complaints’. People Before Profit believe that those against repealing the 8th amendment brought pressure on the venue to cancel the meeting.

Cllr John Lyons who was to chair the meeting said:

“This is a disgraceful denial of free speech. Why did those who complained not come along to the meeting and express their views? We would have been only too happy to discuss the issues with them at the meeting. This is an example, yet again, of conservative forces in Ireland preferring to bury these issues so that a new generation of young people are denied the right to discuss them.

“We shall be holding a meeting outside the venue at the gates of Parnell’s GAA and we urge all those who were to attend to come along. Our voices will be heard”

According to one of the comments below the posting :

John we were denied , in much the same way, from having an anti water charges meeting in a GAA venue too. You have to wonder who is behind these complaints….